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Curating in the Digital Age – Interview with Alexandra Schantl, Head of Collections for Art after 1960 of the Cultural Department of Lower Austria

28. November 2018

Curating in the Digital Age Interview Alexandra Schantl Cultural Department of Lower Austria

Digitalization has become more than just a “buzzword” in the art industry. It has transformed the work of artists, the curating of exhibitions and has disrupted the whole art market. Alexandra Schantl, curator, author and Head of Collections for Art after 1960 of the Cultural Department of Lower Austria talked to me about this major movement in the arts and her most recent exhibition #fuckreality. Of course, she also shared insights into her personal career path, what you should know about becoming a curator and women in the arts industry.

After graduating from high school, Alexandra Schantl’s dream was to work in the field of painting restauration. However, due to her young age, she had to opt for a different course and ended up studying Art History at the University of Vienna. Alexandra always had a big interest in arts and culture. Her parents supported that and her father himself also has a lot of cultural interests – he is an author as well.

I asked Alexandra how her parents dealt with her choice of studying art history – a course with prospects of low salaries and precarious work conditions.

“My parents always encouraged me to study what I am truly passionate about. Of course, my mother made some comments to encourage me to opt for a “safe” career such as teaching. However, they never hindered me in pursuing my dreams.”

Even though the course very much focused on classic art, Alexandra’s true passion has always been contemporary art. She pursued this passion with internships alongside her studies (for example in today’s “21er Haus”, a branch of the Belvedere museum) and as an editor for “Die Furche”, a weekly newspaper for society, politics, culture, religion, and economy. In charge of feature articles, she enjoyed a lot of freedom about the coverage of art exhibitions and deepened her knowledge about contemporary art.

Curating in the Digital Age - Interview with Alexandra Schantl Lower Austria Fuckreality Exhibition Active Participation

Alexandra’s most recent exhibition #fuckreality at the Kunstraum Niederösterreich in Vienna opened doors to virtual world. It only featured artworks using augmented or virtual reality. (Picture courtesy of Eva Würdinger)

Later on, Alexandra worked as a project manager for culture in the so-called “industrial district” (Industrieviertel) in the region of Lower Austria (Niederösterreich). Her office was in Bad Fischau, a small town near Wiener Neustadt in the South of Vienna. Alexandra was hired to set up and plan the basis of cultural work for the area. She literally set everything up herself: when she arrived, the “office” was an empty room, even without any office furniture. Her job involved everything related to culture, including sponsoring and subsidies. A big part was the folk culture of the region: the cultural activities in small towns. Even though Alexandra enjoyed the variety of tasks, her passion was the local gallery where she featured contemporary artists from the region.

Almost naturally, Alexandra managed to transition into her current job at the cultural department of Lower Austria in 2000. Her previous job had enabled her to build up a track record, deepen her knowledge and broaden her network. When the previous person holding the position left temporarily, Alexandra was there at the right time and place. She now is in charge of the purchases and subsidies by the region.

“I was lucky that there was a quota for women. At this point in time, women were underrepresented in the field and the cultural department of Lower Austria was looking for a woman.”, she smiles and almost makes us forget that her track record, persistence and hard work were probably (equally) determining factors.

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Alexandra is the head of collections for art after 1960 of Lower Austria. She covers everything from objective to abstract art, from classic paintings to media installations. Regarding the content, Alexandra enjoys a lot of freedom. The focus of the department is artists who have a relation to the region: either because they were born in Lower Austria, or because they live or work there. In yearly sessions, a committee examines and decides about the purchasing of works of certain artists. These artists will then be visited by Alexandra and her colleagues and they determine which works will be acquired for the collection.

“Our focus is art after 1945. Hence, if we have already purchased some works by a certain artists, we try to document all their major creative periods and thematic focus areas (e.g. self-portraits, landscapes or still lives). Each purchasing decision has to make sense in the broader scheme of our collection.”

Curators are currently celebrated as “stars” in the art industry and it seems that a lot of young art students aspire to become curators. I asked Alexandra how she actually became a curator. “Being a curator means learning by doing most of the time. Today, there are also a lot of educational courses – very often they come with a high price tag. I recommend to gain as much experience as possible – even if the job is unpaid. There are many opportunities with smaller initiatives, for example, where young people can build up a great track record.”

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Under the Dome – the exhibition #fuckreality also involved performances. (Picture courtesy of eSeL.at – Joanna Pianka)

This led us to discuss the dillemma of a lot of students, especially in the art sector, of being pushed into unpaid internships. According to Alexandra, the problem is a natural one: when we are young and start out we lack a track record. There are many art historians and aspiring curators and, consequently, there is a lot of competition. Students not only compete among themselves but also with people with a lot of experience. In an industry like art, notorious for low salaries, we both agreed that it is unrealistic to expect your dream salary when you start out. Therefore, there is probably no way around unpaid internships to build up a competitive track record.

Even though the art industry has attracted more women, it is still a challenge to be successful in the field and have a family at the same time: “You are expected to perform nonstop, there are many deadlines and if you choose to come back part-time after maternity leave, it is very difficult to tackle all the necessary tasks.”

Curating in the Digital Age - Interview with Alexandra Schantl Lower Austria Fuckreality Exhibition

#fuckreality focused on a topic often neglected by the art world: virtual reality is stigmatised and associated rather with Hollywood productions than contemporary art. The exhibition successfully managed to attract a diverse crowd of visitors and showed that there indeed is a link between art and the digital world. (Picture courtesy of Eva Würdinger)

When it comes to the Austrian art scene, Alexandra emphasizes that we need to distinguish between what goes on in Vienna and what happens outside. Vienna has a very active contemporary art scene which has become more and more attractive and competitive at an international level. However, in the smaller towns, contemporary art can be tough.

“People always have reservations and prejudices when it comes to contemporary art. It is a bit easier to address the more open-minded crowd in Vienna. However, we employ innovative art mediation tools. We use video portraits of our artists where they themselves explain their ideas to build up a personal connection with the visitor, for example.”

Alexandra agreed that the environment has changed a lot. The “typical” exhibition visitor very often belongs to the older age brackets. It is tough to motivate young people for contemporary art. Another reason is that arts and culture have received less attention in schools. Pupils are supposed to be prepared with “more hands-on” subjects for the labour market. Social media may help to overcome the barriers. However, it needs to be used in the right way to avoid addressing the crowd which is already perceptive towards the arts.

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Alexandra recommends aspiring curators to gain as much experience as possible, even if it means working for free in the beginning. She also thinks that international experience not only broadens the skill set but also increases the chance of landing your dream job. (Picture courtesy of eSeL.at – Joanna Pianka)

I added that I very often feel left out in the art world. Even though I have a strong interest in art, I feel out of place at most of the events. I dress and talk differently, sometimes my views are considered “too mainstream”. I asked Alexandra if the art scene itself has contributed to its negative perception as being elitist as well?

“There are definitely some tendencies by the art scene itself contributing to a negative image. And we need to be very careful that we do not drift into an art world which is more about the events than about the actual art.”

In addition to being Head of Collections, Alexandra also is an author and a curator. Her latest project, the exhibition #fuckreality in Vienna obviously managed to overcome common barriers and successfully attracted a big and diverse crowd of visitors. Only digital artworks using augmented or virtual reality were involved in the exhibition. Visitors had to actively engage with the works – otherwise, they could not see any results. While there have been many successful exhibitions of this kind in Germany, #fuckreality was the first of its kind in Austria.

Curating in the Digital Age - Interview with Alexandra Schantl Lower Austria Fuckreality Exhibition Interactive Installation

The exhibition #fuckreality also embraced devices we use on a daily basis. (Picture courtesy of Eva Würdinger)

Alexandra developed the exhibition in a team with two other curators – Ruth Schnell, head of the Institute of Digital Arts of the University of Applied Arts in Vienna, and Martin Kusch, lecturer at the same institute. Both not only teach arts but also are artists themselves. As there is no market per se for digital artworks, the curatorial team decided to make a call for applications among the class for Digital Arts. Some of the works had existed before the call, some were adapted and some were made especially for the exhibition.

Digitalization has become a major force in the arts along a broad spectrum: on one extreme, artists work with digital technologies and actively involve them in their artworks. At the other end of the spectrum, photographers have embraced digital photography. Needless to say, digitalization has affected the daily ways of communication of artists.

Curating in the Digital Age - Interview with Alexandra Schantl Lower Austria Fuckreality Exhibition Virtual Reality

Active participation at #fuckreality was key: if the visitors did not get involved themselves, they could not see the results of the artworks. (Picture courtesy of eSeL.at – Joanna Pianka)

Apart from these obvious developments, Alexandra mentioned the developments in the gallery sector: online auctions and galleries have disrupted the scene forcing established organisations to rethink their positioning. Nevertheless, Alexandra also sees that even though some “traditional” galleries have closed down, there are quite a few new galleries in Vienna which have established themselves well. Obviously, those address a different target audience.

When asked about her definition of success, Alexandra answers:

“I am actually quite satisfied. When you pursue studies in the field of arts, it is not easy to find a job, make money and be successful. I think I did well. I have been working for the Cultural Department  in different positions for 18 years and I think that is something I can be proud of. Working in the arts is more than just a job for me, it is a true passion. I cannot say what is part of my professional and what is part of my private life. The lines are blurred. What I particularly enjoy is the part of creating something: I can start something from scratch and see a direct outcome. I very much appreciate this.”

At the end of our interview, I asked her which advice she would like to give her 20-year old self. “I would encourage the 20-year-old Alexandra to work abroad. I never explicitly excluded that option but for some reason it just never happened. I think it is definitely an advantage to have international experience. Also, when you come back to Austria, there may be more attractive opportunities.”

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Alexandra Schantl obtained her PhD in Art History from the University of Vienna. She is the Head of Collections for Art after 1960 at the Cultural Department of Lower Austria. In addition, Alexandra is as a curator and author. Her most recent exhibition #fuckreality only featured artworks using augmented or virtual reality, making it the first exhibition of its kind in Austria. (Picture courtesy of eSeL.at – Lorenz Seidler)

 

 

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